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Once An Alcoholic, Always An Alcoholic? Absolute, Outright Lie. Here’s Why.

The first nationally published criticism of Alcoholics Anonymous appeared in the Saturday Evening Post in 1964.  Dr. Arthur Cain wrote one of the best descriptions of the dangers inherent the 12 steps ever to exist.  He attended hundreds of meetings and saw for himself the dogmatic cult AA was, and still is today.  Enjoy and please pass along.  People deserve to know the truth. Please click on link below.

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17 comments on “Once An Alcoholic, Always An Alcoholic? Absolute, Outright Lie. Here’s Why.

  1. Thanks for this, it is a good piece. AA certainly influenced public opinion in the past by having evangelical members promoting it’s faith based methods. I think that the fact that so many are coming out against the disease theory etc, will make a difference and the evangelical types will show AA up for what it is. It is a shame more people did not write things like this in the past as public opinion could be so different today if they had really looked at what happens in the 12 step world. I do feel more people are getting the message out now that there are more sensible ways to recover.

    In the UK the soberistas site has really taken off and is full of people supporting each other to put down the drink. They talk about a variety of methods that work for them and many are based around building self esteem. A few there, do like AA, but on the whole that does not seem the case and lots of those who do try it tend to leave after a while. They go for some fellowship and to meet people, but do not take to the steps. Most of the members are women and the 1930’s solution is not going to help them and they can see that. Lots of them are writing books and blogging away about how they feel, and often have daily email sessions. I can see this type of group growing in the future and really making a difference. They have grown for nothing to over 22,000 members in a year. That is a lot for a country the size of UK. I don’t expect AA to go away, and some people really like it and have a right to go, but I feel that people have realised that the drinking culture here has changed and are trying to find a more suitable solution that is practical and will reach as many people as possible. A lot of the people that visit the site would not have gone to AA and may not have found any help in the past.

    This is getting a lot of publicity in the UK and is perceived as a positive thing, which I think will influence people to seek different ways of recovery in the future. They have some trained counsellors and a Dr, available for advice and they also comment on threads if people are in trouble or giving bad advice. I think we all have a part to play through blogging and commenting in a sensible way on articles on the web. The link you have given is a good example of how a well written piece can be found by lots of people over time and if a lot of people start to offer good alternative advice, then ideas will get out to the general public and influence them.

  2. Thank you for posting this! Because of stumbling across your post, I read some of your other blogs about AA, 12 steps, etc. and I got to ask why are you so against AA? Do you have any personal experience with it? I am not looking to judge you, I am simply trying to put together my own opinion and though I do have 17 plus years of AA experiences, I am very curious about other’s experiences. As you most likely know, in AA people member are told that if they stop attending meeting they will drink again… I am trying to figure out if my questioning the doctrine and deciding to stop attending meetings is “setting myself up for a drink” or just deprogramming myself.

    Peace!

    • Thank you for commenting Loresia. It has been nice to privately communicate with you. Our private conversations will stay that way. For other readers, all you need to know is that more and more people are coming to realize the harm inflicted on them by the brainwashing in 12 step groups. It’s a beautiful thing to find your power.

  3. Thank you! I really appreciate our conversations. This process has been scary and your communicating with you has been really helpful. I found courage to not doubt what my gut was telling me when I read your blog about AA.

    • I appreciate our conversations too. Your instincts are always available for you … No matter what steppers will tell you about your ability to think for yourself.

  4. I really never see where their money goes I thought I would explore it a bit. Did so on post four of this thread.

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/719622-Bob-Forrest-Should-Keep-His-Ignorance-to-Himself

    also AA is so used to dealing with brainwashed individuals they left this out where people who can still think clearly can read it. What a scam.

    http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/mg-15_finance.pdf

    • Scam is an understatement since this cult religion steals your very soul. Forrest is just as much a scumbag as his ‘partner’ Dr Death Drew. Disgusting. Thanks for the link!

  5. Not a problem.. here are a few more if you want to throw this post up as well.

    Nonprofit Organization Information
    GENERAL SERVICE BOARD OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS INC
    http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Summary&EIN=237282071&Cobrandid=0

    and 2012 tax returns for GSB of AA..
    http://207.153.189.83/EINS/237282071/237282071_2012_0988eedf.PDF

  6. Oh and one more good one, and feal free to merge these as my intention is not to blow you up here.

    “Peer reviewed studies peg the success rate of AA somewhere between five and 10 percent,” writes Dodes. “About one of every 15 people who enter these programs is able to become and stay sober.”

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/717120-The-Surprising-Failures-of-12-Steps

    • I am reading Dodes’ book now. Should be required reading for anyone studying addiction issues. Yeah, right. The Hazelden grad school would never allow that! I’ll send a link to my old professors anyway. They never return my emails any longer. Hmmmmmmmm.

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